Re: Trakehners Voluntarily Tested for CA, LFS & SCID

KHunter116 Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:28 pm

acottongim wrote:Or if the Arab is more than 4 generations back At least the way I've understood it. The theory for the length in Arab blood is because if it is that far back, it has "washed out" of the breeding gene pool by that point.

I straddle the fence. I personally am very opposed to knowingly breeding issues. I was involved with the QH and App industry for a while and still have friends in it. I remember the whole "Impressive" issue with HYPP and the hoopla that was caused when they started doing the N/N etc. I liken this issue with that issue. (I know different disease but same fear and concerns).

I am fully on board with testing those horses that are coming into the bloodlines and would not KNOWINGLY breed a mare or stallion that was positive for CA. I also will have Tate tested even though the Arab in him is so far back it is really laughable - there is far more TB in him than Arab! I also feel it is more important to test the boys than the girls (with the codicil unless the mare is Arab, half Arab or 1/4 Arab).

And yes, if the stallion is a European approved stallion or even a deceased stallion that has Arab in the 4 generations, the foal will need to be tested in order to go into the OSB or PSB.

I double checked the policy. The recommended testing was for stallions & mares with Arabian blood in the first 3 generations b/c it's more concentrated but as a recessive trait CA can be in the 7th or 8th generation. So yes, Fiona the resultant foal by Bonaparte would have to be tested (testing not required b/c of your mare unless she carried Arabian in the first 3 gens). ALL newly approved stallions (not only those w/Arabian blood up close) must be tested. http://americantrakehner.com/Forms/GeneticTesting.htm

KHunter116 Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:53 am

Tim Holekamp asked me to clarify the policy regarding registration and Stud Book entry and include the ATA policy link again for reference. His explanation was much clearer than mine:

Testing is required for studbook entry, NOT registration. It makes perfect sense to test foals as it increases their potential value as possible stallion prospect or broodmare but it is NOT required. The "recommendation" has to do with ALL stallions being tested to reduce the future needs to test foals at all. If ALL stallions in our book are tested and one tests his/her own broodmare, regardless of Arabian parentage, ALL foals by those stallions that are clear do NOT have to be tested in the future. http://americantrakehner.com/Forms/GeneticTesting.htm

Which is exactly why I tested Symphonie (Burnus in 4th gen), Hennie (no Arabian blood in 8 gens) and Orania (no Arabian in 7 gens) so I had a clear foundation in my broodmare band. This allows me to select stallions that are clear & give prospective owners peace of mind their foals can enter the OSB (mares or stallions) w/o being tested.

Maren Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:06 am

I think I have been partially misunderstood on this. No time right now, but please look for my feedback next week.

Guest Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:00 pm

Just one more question Smile

So if I have a filly from my Prada x Halimey Go breeding, I don't have to have her tested to register her.

But I *could* opt to have the filly tested at the same time as being registered and DNA'd as a foal (and save $60!)? But if I didn't, when I went to have her, the filly, approved, she would still need to be tested because although Hal has tested clear, Prada hasn't been tested (but she is approved)?

Prada has Madharascha 3 and Burnus 4, but although the foal won't have Arabian in the first 3 generations, she, the filly, would still need to be tested before Stud Book approval?

acottongim Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:31 pm

The way I read the rules and understand them... (so take that for what it is worth)

You can ALWAYS REGISTER the foal - regardless of testing.

You (in this instance) do not have to test the filly because Hailmy has been tested and the foal will not have Arab in the first 3 generations.

To be certain (or if you are like Kim) you would have to have the foal tested - and realistically if you tested the mare you never have to test the foals... Which btw, say you get a fantastic colt out of the mare (now or later) ALL future stallions will be tested unless the sire and dam are clear.

KHunter116 Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:58 pm

acottongim wrote:The way I read the rules and understand them... (so take that for what it is worth)

You can ALWAYS REGISTER the foal - regardless of testing.

You (in this instance) do not have to test the filly because Hailmy has been tested and the foal will not have Arab in the first 3 generations.

To be certain (or if you are like Kim) you would have to have the foal tested - and realistically if you tested the mare you never have to test the foals... Which btw, say you get a fantastic colt out of the mare (now or later) ALL future stallions will be tested unless the sire and dam are clear.

That's also how I interpret the policy.

KHunter116 Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:22 pm

Thanks to the owners of:

Bond James Bond
Stiletto *Ps*
Tanzeln *Pb*
Virginian Sky

For stepping up!

notifykel Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:48 pm

I fully intend on having Tagaelen tested and now I have a full TK mare that will need to be tested as her sire has been deceased for many years and there is no way to test him......I just never have any spare money! It has put me in the poor house to have Galen compete in Florida the past two years, I can't afford another, and I know we are all in the same boat (well maybe not all) but taxes and insurance are killing me and there haven't been all that many breedings in recent years to pay for his expenses. Bottom line is...when I can afford to get the testing done, I will! It's not that I'm derelict in my duties as a TK owner.... Sad